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Navionics Charts on compact flash cards come with dire warnings not to put the cards into readers and connect them to a pc. Has anyone tried it.and what happened?Were they rendered useless as Navionics suggest that they would be?.Just curious Only last week I was reading a posting on this very subject. As I use Navionics it was the reason which drew me to the post. Someone did exactly as you say & the outcome was again as you suggest.

They became corrupt. At least that is what the article said and the poster was not impressed, but I guess its there way of protecting copyright. The cards can corrupt even while in the gps as mine did.It was working fine untill i noticed that while en route half of the chart was blanc.When i tried to forward it to the blanc area the whole screen went blanc.The point is that you're buying something or the right to use it and then because of limited life of storage means you get the wrong end of the stick.Shouldn't we at least have the right to bring it back to the dealer and they replace the chart at the cost of the storage means? Why pay again for the same right of use? Navionics Charts on compact flash cards come with dire warnings not to put the cards into readers and connect them to a pc. Has anyone tried it.and what happened?Were they rendered useless as Navionics suggest that they would be?.Just curious In order to prevent fraud, Navionics and Raymarine have developed a modified firmware in card readers to support and not allow (unauthorized) copies of the charts.

As long a syou insert a card in a std reader, you'll able to 'see' the root directory and the mane of the file(s). If You go any further.well, they told You, didn't they?

Only way to go is buying a Navionics card reader (hardwarewise a specular copy of a multistandard card reader BUT with a different firmware): in the price it is included a CD with a demo versiono of Raymarine's RAYNAV navigation software. Dont even bother trying it. Navionics encrypt their data.

I suspect that they have also screwed with the hardware wiring and/or the format of their proprietary reader so that it would present a challenge to people trying to read their charts. You can use a standard CF card in a Raymarine device for transferring waypoints and application upgrades so there must be compatibility at the hardware layer. The trouble with pugging in to windows based machines is the hardware abstaction layer of the OS that attempts to go and do things to media automagically without the users intervention.

If I was trying to do this ( not that I ever would you understand ) I'd start investigating by copying a card with an embedded device that didn't go anywhere near any Windows or DOS functionality. Using a CF signal analyser might be a good step too.:):). In order to prevent fraud, Navionics and Raymarine have developed a modified firmware in card readers to support and not allow (unauthorized) copies of the charts. As long a syou insert a card in a std reader, you'll able to 'see' the root directory and the mane of the file(s). If You go any further.well, they told You, didn't they?

Only way to go is buying a Navionics card reader (hardwarewise a specular copy of a multistandard card reader BUT with a different firmware): in the price it is included a CD with a demo versiono of Raymarine's RAYNAV navigation software. Okay I'm now very pleased that I didn't put my Navionics card into the reader on my laptop & whilst I understand why I'm not so pleased that I can't use the data I (well the previous owner) purchased with other packages (OpenCPN/SeaClearII). I just saw a Navionics card reader (manufactured by Fugawi Marine???) on its own on eBay for about £50 & the card reader with Navionics NavPlanner Route Planner CD for £99. I wonder if that's a demo version that expires or has limited functionality? Have asked those questions of the eBay seller & waiting for reply. Does anyone know if the data on the Navionics cards is compatible with OpenCPN or SeaClearII.

Is the data on the Navionics cards CM93 data, CF data? I'm new to all this & trying to get my head round it all & also leave as many options as possible for navigation to try out when I get going next Spring. I also would like to get the Navionics 23XG Med & Black Sea Chart CF Card, best price for that I've seen is also on eBay @ £169, anyone know of any cheaper? Cheers, David. Reading such learned posts above - I shall not say that I have read Navionics cards in standard readers. I shall be called a liar?

CF cards I have no idea about as I use SD / MMC. But there is no way you can use the info on the cards as it is protected by serious encryption. To original poster - Forget trying to use navionics in any plotting other than plotters that state clearly Navionics. Seaclear, openCPN etc. Will never read or use them. Yes it is necessary to use the proprietary Navionics Reader to be able to use the cards with Navionics compatible software.

The cards can corrupt even while in the gps as mine did.It was working fine untill i noticed that while en route half of the chart was blanc.When i tried to forward it to the blanc area the whole screen went blanc.The point is that you're buying something or the right to use it and then because of limited life of storage means you get the wrong end of the stick.Shouldn't we at least have the right to bring it back to the dealer and they replace the chart at the cost of the storage means? Why pay again for the same right of use? Despite the warnings, following current legislation the customer has a right to have the item fixed or replaced under warranty. The copy protection is between the burned in serial number of the CF card and the navionics charts software. (my guess and nice winter project to find out) the navionics reader has hardware encryption to encript the charts. Back to topic; i have inserted those navionics CF cards in normal card readers without any problems. You just see the files.

The only thing is you can't do much with them as that cheap ebay card reader is missing the encryption the original navionics reader has. I also have that £45 plus navionics card reader.

Somebody once did tell me that there is a programme around called Goldview2.( something) that the trade use.along with a card reader/writer called Dazzle 6 in 1 to distribute these charts.copying them onto freshly formatted compact flash cards to order.and I just did wonder if anybody else had heard of these.Interesting replies you have given me, guys.much food for thought.and I thank you all.but maybe this thread is not yet at the end of its run quite yet. Doubt it very nuch. I cannot say too much about this as I don;t want to upset the bean counters out there. But: The factory ID of the card is embedded into the encryption. Second there is a file on the card that carries encryption that shows zero bits. But in fact is a couple of hundred bits in size. These needed to get proprietary reader to read.

The files must be carried on the same card for rest of their life! It is possible to copy extra chart files onto an already encrypted old original card. It works sometimes. AFTER a small file has a couple of lines altered in the code. Navionics is different from various other chart cards ie Nauticpath. Where you can in fact cut files from the card. And then put back to the original same card and it will still work.

BUT you must never alter, format or play with the card in anyway. Navionics is one of the few encryptions that has never been fully cracked. Regardless of what you may hear. Somebody once did tell me that there is a programme around called Goldview2.( something) that the trade use.along with a card reader/writer called Dazzle 6 in 1 to distribute these charts.copying them onto freshly formatted compact flash cards to order.and I just did wonder if anybody else had heard of these.Interesting replies you have given me, guys.much food for thought.and I thank you all.but maybe this thread is not yet at the end of its run quite yet. Dealers can no longer programme charts, they are ordered pre-programmed directly from navionics now.

Setting aside the encryption issues which these learned gentlemen have obviously either had a good look at.or have been well informed of by others.and incidently, we, as end users pay for.(Navionics will like as not have gone out and bought a very expensive tailor made encryption process from some specialist company).there is raised one slightly concerning issue. I fondly believed that when I bought a chart cartridge from a dealer in the UK.that dealer was in possession of some kind of version of the chart database which.rather in the manner of antivirus programmes on my pc.was being regularly updated directly from Navionics with all the chart changes.and that he then copied an absolutely current version of the chart onto a compact flash card and sold it to me. If what WALLY above says is true.(and why should we think it not to be true).and the dealers have been taken out of the loop.presumably for reasons of 'anti-piracy paranoia'.and the dealers get all their charts directly from Navionics.with all the associated time delays.How do I know that the particular compact flash card I buy has not been lying on a dealers shelf for months if not years? They are after all never supplied with 'corrections up to date till' notices.

They do of course absolve themselves from inaccuracies by putting the disclaimer which pops up whenever the chartplotter is powered up.but it all poses the question.' Are we really getting (at some not inconsiderable price.the thick end of 200 quid) exactly what we think we are paying for.and shouldn`t we as users be expecting some kind of date information attached to the charts?er.or have I just missed it? [QUOTE If what WALLY above says is true.(and why should we think it not to be true).and the dealers have been taken out of the loop.presumably for reasons of 'anti-piracy paranoia'.and the dealers get all their charts directly from Navionics.with all the associated time delays.How do I know that the particular compact flash card I buy has not been lying on a dealers shelf for months if not years?

They are after all never supplied with 'corrections up to date till' notices.and shouldn`t we as users be expecting some kind of date information attached to the charts?er.or have I just missed it?[/QUOTE] This can happen, last Jan, I purchased a bundled plotter and charts. I was suspicious of the chart date since it came with an expired update offer, also an NM I knew about wasn't implemented. There is however, a date code on the card, an e-mail to Navionics confirmed that my card had been superceded. The supplier, MES, replaced it without hesitation. Not ideal, but you can check.

24G MMC card - Date Sep2004. Actually contains three chart files:- 5G392XL embedded dates 8/11/2003 and 9/9/2004 5G39xXL embedded dates 28/6/2003 and 31/5/2004 5G394XL embedded dates 8/11/2003 and 27/5/2004 and the card was created 10/3/2005. The 5G392 chart is the English Channel and if my reading of the source chart information is correct there are some scarily old dates. Although LAND'S END TO FALMOUTH seems to be dated 20040101. Don't have that chart so can't say if this is the edition date or NM date. More and more I'm thinking that real charts scanned is the way to go with the likes of SeaClear or Belfield.

At least you know where you stand. Well it does at least get round the issue of having to buy duplicate plotter charts and real ones, but crown copyright is better protected legally than Joe Public's copyright and the lawyers at UKHO do follow up cases where they know something has been copied. Might noty matter in Paddyland I suppose but it does here. All this chat has made me curious. My Navionics chart for the plotter is on a Scandisk CF card with no mention of Navionics on it - so making me wonder if it's official.

Worryingly, in view of a comment above, I have just done a dump of the waypoints to the card whilst I updated the op system on the C80. Will I now have problems? Somewhere out in the www, someone will have cracked the encryption of the Navionics charts just for the sake of doing so.

And as they did for the CMap that every long distance sailor seems to have. I can't see why scanning a chart that I have on the chart table and putting it on a PC where I can plot my position is a problem.

I have a reciept for the chart and I'm not trying to sell it on. For the record I'm not trying to knock Navionics. They have an unenviable task. Take this as an example.

I have bought Belfield which contains charts from the UK Hydrographic Office as at July 2009. I'm interested in Scottish waters so I've downloaded the NMs for Scotland since then. From Week 28 to Week 48 it amounts to 52 NMs plus there are 8 new chart editions.

In fact since July the UKHO have issued close on 3000 NMs. Add to those the NMs issued by other Hydrographic Offices round the world and you see the task that Navionics have to keep charts up-to-date. I started looking at Navionics because there is an old Furuno plotter on board. It uses the PCMCIA style cards with the older Classic format charts.

Since this format is no longer supported by Navionics I wanted to see if I could update the charts myself. From there it was only a short step to look at Gold format for my own amusement (and the fact there is so much cr*p on TV these days). In fact if you turn off most of the vector layers you can end up close to the Classic look. Technically copying ( scanning ) any published item subject to Copyright is illegal.

But it is generally accepted that copying to create a 'working' copy for personal use of owner of original item is ignored. I've been stopped for having own copies of DVD's, CD's and I've replied to C&E that originals are at home. What they see are 'working copies' that I use to save the originals. Reply is that they have option to ask me to prove ownership of originals. Grey Fox Distress Download Games. Problem comes when copies are passed on to a 'friend'.

And that when found can lead to authors getting a bit pee'd off!! Back to navionics.

I do know people that can create 'working copies' but based on their comments - Navionics encryption is not broken. They have to work with it and around it. Interesting that someone says they have a Scandisk CF with navionics on. Appears that someone has pasted onto a non-navionics card. Maybe the old CF card type was easier to do this? Necchi Silvia Maximatic 586 Manual here. When you look on-line - you find many sites that have navionics charts and viewers.

But out of interest I've tried some and haven't got any to work. I have the platinum sd card and this requires periodically removing from the plotter and plugging into a pc to get the chart updates with no special reader required but the card does still carry the warnings about potentially damaging the data if abused.

I was concerned about corruption by the plotter or pc accidentally wiping out my data so did some research, its not possible to make a working copy as the data is encrypted with a software key which is linked to the hardwired serial number of the sd card, sd stands for secure digital for precisely these type of applications. However I was able to put the write protect switch on and make an image backup to the pc without damaging the sd card.

Restoring the image to a fresh sd card does not make a fully working card and as far as I can tell theres no way of spoofing an sd card serial number to get round this so at best the image might be useful to restore the card back to an earlier version should an online update ever corrupt or disable the data. On the version of CPN that I use, there is an option in the on-screen toolbar to hide/display text. The toolbar box has an 'A+' in it and the mouseover 'shown ENC text'. I'd like to load mine on my laptop to see what, if anything, I can do with them with Open CPN & Sea Clear2 (both free), which I have loaded on the laptop.

Open CPN I have working with CM93 chart data but I can't 'see' any land data on them (names of countries, towns, etc.). I have no idea if this is normal or if I have corrupt CM93 data or what.